Liliane Schneiter is Professor of Art History & Critical Studies on the Critical Curatorial Cybermedia postgraduate course at the Ecole supérieure des beaux-arts, Haute école d'arts visuels (HES) in Geneva, Switzerland.
Her iPodU session was very hard for me to hear. Brendan from VJ theory was their (from what I heard) and he had said something that also stood out in his discussion with Raphael (session 11).
In the discussion Brendan mentioned the philosophy behind his work of "free" knowledge and ideas. How by allowing creative people to come together, work creatively and share openly it only allows more creativity. By limiting it in anyway can only slow down the process of moving forward.
Raphael pointed out the reality that we are not in a sustainable situation and that the only thing of value that we have is information and intelligence. Our downfall is that we put that into a market that it can't be. (So next time you hoard your ideas or knowledge of something for the sake of 'being better' NEW MEDIA STUDENTS, think of the existence of man kind......kidding..)
In doing research I read an interview of Liliane Schneiter views the term new media as a default term where one is speaking of technology. Her work focuses on cybermedia, where the power of the internet can provoke change and connection. It's not the technology itself but the idea. These ideas have direction influence of William Gibson, the godfather of cyberpunk (if you have never heard of William Gibson, please check out Neuromancer, he influenced the terms we use everyday in relation to cyberspace. <-- coined term by him)
It was incredibly hard to hear anything other than what Raph said, I attribute this to the big empty room and the accents of the people who were speaking. I want to thank Steve for finding a bunch of information on Liliane Schneiter, it really helped to go in and read and do research that followed up what you did. So rather than restating what Steve said about Liliane Schneiter I will discuss more of what Raph was talking about.
Raph took the gloomy side of the world (perhaps there was a metaphorical black cloud following him that day), jut kidding; anyways so yes he talked about the end and the catastrophes that are to come, but he also talked about the way we are being prosecuted for breaking copy write laws and being charged money for using and remixing someone else’s piece, when really there is no possible way to walk down the street without being bombarded by some sort of media infiltrating our minds, our imagination, and stealing our potential to create. I absolutely agree, you cannot move more than a few steps without someone or some cooperation trying to influence you through media. Whether it be an advertisement on a flyer or a logo on a car, or even the news, we are surrounded by media, and in this media saturated world we are beginning to find that we are being deprived of our right to not see or hear or in some cases smell, some corporations message.
It’s a problem, and one of many, and he talks about how what we are living in now as a culture is completely unsustainable, and how we are basically moved into a new market without producing a system that is capable of sustaining our new way of living. We are living in an information driven society, and the more information that we put into the old market, the more and more we become lost as a culture capable of being self sustainable.
I think that this too is also true, that the way we live today is unbelievably self centered, in the sense that we have entered a state of a narcissistic coma, that we have become engrossed in our own image, and that we are being driven by our media, and our self projection into the society that we are loosing touch with what we are; human.
Raph talked a bit about how the VJ community as a microcosm has such an open sense of sharing ideas and concepts. This is paralleled by VJTheory and what they are doing, in that the model is to be open and to allow the world to have access to what it is that you are doing, because it advances the global community forward. It’s about the larger picture and not so much the smaller one. The Internet is a beast that is more often than not being used in some sort of way to share, ideas and concepts. A festival dedicated to the arts of what it is that encompasses everything from VJing to performative art, to installations, that is a place for many people to get together and share ideas and concepts. The way we as a society are organized is as old as religion, as Raph said, and it’s a model that we can no longer sustain, and I absolutely agree.
Just as Stephen and Brian have stated, this video was very hard to hear and understand. Along with the overseas accent and medicore audio quality, the overal message and information was too hard to understand.
I'll have to agree with Raph and Brian in how we live in such a self centered society. Due to the many and often negative messages the society sends us, we concentrate on our self images far too much. The society sends us messages of how to look, what to wear, what to buy, and what to do with our lives and we as a society, suffocated by the overwhelming amount of messages sent our way are forced to listen to the messages. The sad truth is that most, if not all of these messages exist because the businesses and corporations that send out these messages want to make money. It will be a glorious day when society stops looking at itself on the outside and rather begins to look at itself on the inside.
When I watched this I could barely hear anything that was said by those present (apart from Raph), and so most of the time I really didn't know what was going on, which is unfortunate because from what I heard from Raph, he was talking again about the sort of stuff we discussed in Lecture 10, in relation to copyright laws and the infringement of society and media upon our own personal mindsets and imaginations. I believe I mentioned this in the lecture 10 post - while I agree wholeheartedly with Raph on this matter, that the media has forced itself into our subconscious and now we are almost completely dependent on it to tell us how to act, look, and dress, I think that it also depends largely on the person, and that individuals can make personal choices to ignore the media. You can be happy with yourself, and live in a simple world, if you keep a hold on your imagination, the thing that makes you unique.
In regards to the subject of copyright infringement, yes, it is a problem, no, I don't think it will ever be fixed - as long as there are ways to obtain other's material, software, whatever it is, for free, people will do it. Brendan, however, brought up an interesting point, which is that he works on bringing artists together to share knowledge and work, and I think this is excellent. I believe that for the sake of art, even copyrighted material should be shared, for free if possible (although in today's world everything is about money), because it IS for the sake of art. There's a difference between downloading a movie off of limewire just so that you can watch it once and save it to your external hard drive, and downloading something because, for example, you are doing a project in class on superimposition and frame-rate and you need footage from a commercial movie! (No, I did not download Eragon, I'd bought it a while ago.) Anyway, I think there is a definite difference.
I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of, I couldn't hear this well, and get that over with. The other bandwagon I'd like to jump on is that we do live in a self centered society where all we want is more for ourselves. In another lecture Raph mentioned how we are all trying to leave behind our footprint and mark on the world. To create something so we'll always be remembered. The human nature to be afraid of our own mortality drives us to try to create our impact.
The free transfer of knowledge is a great idea because when I hear other peoples ideas I think to myself, that sounds cool, what if I was to spin it this way, and the creativity in my brain explodes. I think if we had more of that open forum for ideas we would be able to push the boundaries that we have set for ourselves and create something that we could have imagined without this sharing of thought.
Like Brian said, Stephen's information on Lilane was helpful.
I have heard a bit about William Gibson and have seen a few bits here and there of Neuromance. Joline talks about it in Hypertext as well. the online world is a very interesting place because though there is a visual aspect of it, the entire internet is made of some boxes that story some files created with text. That is pretty much what the internet is. Now, we can add media such as video and images as well -- giving us two main components of the internet -- Text and Image (video and sound can be considered image for the purpose of this post because they are instances of information). Given this information what Lilane is researching is really quite powerful. We have created things like Google, Myspace, YouTube, Delicious, Experispace (www.experienceplace.com), using the power of text and image. When it boils down most art is text and image in some manor or another, but the interesting aspects of the internet include networking.
since we are in this age of networking -- sharing is important. Like Stephen joked about -- don't hoard your ideas. I put all of my photograph up on deviant art with a CC. Also my portfolio is CC as well because the only time people hoard is if they think they are going to get A.) money or B.) status. They are the two sole purposes of our living situation, but art kind of throws those away (assuming you aren't a money and status hungry artist -- which do exist). Information should be free due to our current situation, but i guess it just goes to show how "free and liberated" america really is.....
I think Lilane's work can really uncover some great cyber-aesthetics.
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Liliane Schneiter is Professor of Art History & Critical Studies on the Critical Curatorial Cybermedia postgraduate course at the Ecole supérieure des beaux-arts, Haute école d'arts visuels (HES) in Geneva, Switzerland.
Her iPodU session was very hard for me to hear. Brendan from VJ theory was their (from what I heard) and he had said something that also stood out in his discussion with Raphael (session 11).
In the discussion Brendan mentioned the philosophy behind his work of "free" knowledge and ideas. How by allowing creative people to come together, work creatively and share openly it only allows more creativity. By limiting it in anyway can only slow down the process of moving forward.
Raphael pointed out the reality that we are not in a sustainable situation and that the only thing of value that we have is information and intelligence. Our downfall is that we put that into a market that it can't be.
(So next time you hoard your ideas or knowledge of something for the sake of 'being better' NEW MEDIA STUDENTS, think of the existence of man kind......kidding..)
In doing research I read an interview of Liliane Schneiter views the term new media as a default term where one is speaking of technology. Her work focuses on cybermedia, where the power of the internet can provoke change and connection. It's not the technology itself but the idea. These ideas have direction influence of William Gibson, the godfather of cyberpunk (if you have never heard of William Gibson, please check out Neuromancer, he influenced the terms we use everyday in relation to cyberspace. <-- coined term by him)
It was incredibly hard to hear anything other than what Raph said, I attribute this to the big empty room and the accents of the people who were speaking. I want to thank Steve for finding a bunch of information on Liliane Schneiter, it really helped to go in and read and do research that followed up what you did. So rather than restating what Steve said about Liliane Schneiter I will discuss more of what Raph was talking about.
Raph took the gloomy side of the world (perhaps there was a metaphorical black cloud following him that day), jut kidding; anyways so yes he talked about the end and the catastrophes that are to come, but he also talked about the way we are being prosecuted for breaking copy write laws and being charged money for using and remixing someone else’s piece, when really there is no possible way to walk down the street without being bombarded by some sort of media infiltrating our minds, our imagination, and stealing our potential to create. I absolutely agree, you cannot move more than a few steps without someone or some cooperation trying to influence you through media. Whether it be an advertisement on a flyer or a logo on a car, or even the news, we are surrounded by media, and in this media saturated world we are beginning to find that we are being deprived of our right to not see or hear or in some cases smell, some corporations message.
It’s a problem, and one of many, and he talks about how what we are living in now as a culture is completely unsustainable, and how we are basically moved into a new market without producing a system that is capable of sustaining our new way of living. We are living in an information driven society, and the more information that we put into the old market, the more and more we become lost as a culture capable of being self sustainable.
I think that this too is also true, that the way we live today is unbelievably self centered, in the sense that we have entered a state of a narcissistic coma, that we have become engrossed in our own image, and that we are being driven by our media, and our self projection into the society that we are loosing touch with what we are; human.
Raph talked a bit about how the VJ community as a microcosm has such an open sense of sharing ideas and concepts. This is paralleled by VJTheory and what they are doing, in that the model is to be open and to allow the world to have access to what it is that you are doing, because it advances the global community forward. It’s about the larger picture and not so much the smaller one. The Internet is a beast that is more often than not being used in some sort of way to share, ideas and concepts. A festival dedicated to the arts of what it is that encompasses everything from VJing to performative art, to installations, that is a place for many people to get together and share ideas and concepts. The way we as a society are organized is as old as religion, as Raph said, and it’s a model that we can no longer sustain, and I absolutely agree.
Just as Stephen and Brian have stated, this video was very hard to hear and understand. Along with the overseas accent and medicore audio quality, the overal message and information was too hard to understand.
I'll have to agree with Raph and Brian in how we live in such a self centered society. Due to the many and often negative messages the society sends us, we concentrate on our self images far too much. The society sends us messages of how to look, what to wear, what to buy, and what to do with our lives and we as a society, suffocated by the overwhelming amount of messages sent our way are forced to listen to the messages. The sad truth is that most, if not all of these messages exist because the businesses and corporations that send out these messages want to make money. It will be a glorious day when society stops looking at itself on the outside and rather begins to look at itself on the inside.
When I watched this I could barely hear anything that was said by those present (apart from Raph), and so most of the time I really didn't know what was going on, which is unfortunate because from what I heard from Raph, he was talking again about the sort of stuff we discussed in Lecture 10, in relation to copyright laws and the infringement of society and media upon our own personal mindsets and imaginations. I believe I mentioned this in the lecture 10 post - while I agree wholeheartedly with Raph on this matter, that the media has forced itself into our subconscious and now we are almost completely dependent on it to tell us how to act, look, and dress, I think that it also depends largely on the person, and that individuals can make personal choices to ignore the media. You can be happy with yourself, and live in a simple world, if you keep a hold on your imagination, the thing that makes you unique.
In regards to the subject of copyright infringement, yes, it is a problem, no, I don't think it will ever be fixed - as long as there are ways to obtain other's material, software, whatever it is, for free, people will do it. Brendan, however, brought up an interesting point, which is that he works on bringing artists together to share knowledge and work, and I think this is excellent. I believe that for the sake of art, even copyrighted material should be shared, for free if possible (although in today's world everything is about money), because it IS for the sake of art. There's a difference between downloading a movie off of limewire just so that you can watch it once and save it to your external hard drive, and downloading something because, for example, you are doing a project in class on superimposition and frame-rate and you need footage from a commercial movie! (No, I did not download Eragon, I'd bought it a while ago.) Anyway, I think there is a definite difference.
I'm going to jump on the bandwagon of, I couldn't hear this well, and get that over with. The other bandwagon I'd like to jump on is that we do live in a self centered society where all we want is more for ourselves. In another lecture Raph mentioned how we are all trying to leave behind our footprint and mark on the world. To create something so we'll always be remembered. The human nature to be afraid of our own mortality drives us to try to create our impact.
The free transfer of knowledge is a great idea because when I hear other peoples ideas I think to myself, that sounds cool, what if I was to spin it this way, and the creativity in my brain explodes. I think if we had more of that open forum for ideas we would be able to push the boundaries that we have set for ourselves and create something that we could have imagined without this sharing of thought.
Like Brian said, Stephen's information on Lilane was helpful.
I have heard a bit about William Gibson and have seen a few bits here and there of Neuromance. Joline talks about it in Hypertext as well. the online world is a very interesting place because though there is a visual aspect of it, the entire internet is made of some boxes that story some files created with text. That is pretty much what the internet is. Now, we can add media such as video and images as well -- giving us two main components of the internet -- Text and Image (video and sound can be considered image for the purpose of this post because they are instances of information). Given this information what Lilane is researching is really quite powerful. We have created things like Google, Myspace, YouTube, Delicious, Experispace (www.experienceplace.com), using the power of text and image. When it boils down most art is text and image in some manor or another, but the interesting aspects of the internet include networking.
since we are in this age of networking -- sharing is important. Like Stephen joked about -- don't hoard your ideas. I put all of my photograph up on deviant art with a CC. Also my portfolio is CC as well because the only time people hoard is if they think they are going to get A.) money or B.) status. They are the two sole purposes of our living situation, but art kind of throws those away (assuming you aren't a money and status hungry artist -- which do exist). Information should be free due to our current situation, but i guess it just goes to show how "free and liberated" america really is.....
I think Lilane's work can really uncover some great cyber-aesthetics.
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